During Ladyyatexel's livestream

• tinsnip: dude, julian holds a straw for you and makes sexy-face, you are gonna drink what's in that glass
• me: A
• me: M
• me: E
• me: N

[muiromem]

My Birthday Cake!

Took me forever to decorate (as always). Cherry flavored cake and frosting, hence the cherries on top. Close-ups of the characters added as well just for fun. Sadly you can’t see it, but the blue color of the background actually has light blue and purple swirled in to look like the Wormhole!

I drew the characters based on THIS PICTURE which is not mine, but it is absolutely adorable! Though I didn’t add Nog or Jake, and I made GaraK and Bashir locking arms because I ship it even on my cake. <3

Can’t wait to eat it tomorrow! 

[tinsnip]

screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech!!!

A Garak/Bashir trope that gives me squick

[tinsnip]

Okay. It’s incredibly common in the fanfic. And every single time it gives me the yigg.

Garak tells Bashir about a Cardassian tradition, OR gives him this piece of jewelry, OR fakes this illness, and Bashir respects the tradition/wears the jewelry/tries to treat the illness, and it leads to sexy times, and yee hah, and Bashir asks about the tradition/jewelry/illness, and Garak is all I MADE IT UP TO GET IN YOUR PANTS/IT’S A BETROTHAL RING HA HA WE’RE ENGAGED NOW/THAT ILLNESS ISN’T REAL I JUST WANTED TO SEX YOU.

And Bashir’s always all, oh, you rascal, let’s sexy times again.

And I just can’t help thinking that lying to get into someone’s pants is very different from lying to entertain, or to protect oneself. If I were Bashir, I’d be horribly embarrassed and very turned off. Especially with that betrothal jewelry bullshit. Seriously, don’t lie about that.

I’m thinking too much. But it’s a weird trope and I don’t like it.

[ladyyatexel]

No, this is totally a legit thing.  I started writing a giant spiel in a draft post about the things that Garak gets away with as a Cardassian versus what he can get with as a human (because pizza), and then there were definitely things that he should not get away with in either circumstance and “oh, lol, now we’re engaged/sleeping together because I am mocking/exploiting your lack of knowledge about my culture~” is not one of them. 

Garak’s lying is fun because most of it is an invitation to figure him out (the rest is, like you said, self-preservation).  Lying to sleep with someone is ridiculously skeevy and I think can be classified as rape under some places’ laws.  And I’m pretty sure Garak is not this despicable. 

WHILE WE’RE ON THE SUBJECT OF ‘NO’, I get really frowny when Bashir is referred to as a ‘boy’ because  A) fuck epithets, and, more importantly, B) Bashir is a fucking adult.  He might be a young one, he might be totally doofy and kind of naive when this shit starts.  He might have eyes fit for a Disney movie and possibly the hair and smile as well, but he’s a MAN.  He has a fucking medical degree, can we stop it with boy?   I understand there is an age difference.  I rather like it, even!  But let’s stop with trying to ratchet it up to creepy levels AND infantilzing Bashir. 

[muiromem]

I have come across these sort of things so many times while reading fic and THANK YOU GUYS YOU ACTUALLY GET IT. I hate it when they have Garak call him “boy”. This stuff just bugs the crap out of me.

Not to mention one of my own more minor pet peeves is how often I see things going completely one-sided with their relationship. I understand that Julian always showed an interest in Garak and his culture, but relationships are supposed to be a compromise between both people involved. It bothers me when I read a fic and Julian is is the who tries to learn to the language, customs, rules, and such about Cardassians (which is great) but then Garak just stays exactly how he is and people kind of ignore human customs, ideals, and such.

Don’t get me wrong tough, I mean I’m one of a bunch of us who hold on to our personal headcanon that he and Garak go live on Cardassia and adopt a bunch of war orphans and of course Julian would need to learn about Cardassian culture if he’s going to live there. But like, for a very quickly grabbed (and probably crappy) example, nearly every fic I have read has the two of them being “bonded” or whatnot the Cardassian way, but never do I hear mention of them getting married like humans do. This is in no way a bad thing, but I sometimes feel like the authors just dismiss any notion that Julian might want to hold on to his own culture. It’s just little things like that I guess.

and this has been a longer jumble of half-thought out opinions than I expected woops don’t bite my head off anyone please

[tinsnip]

/gaping

I am boggled. I have not seen the forest for the trees. Muiromem, you beautiful human, you.

God, I’ve never once thought of that. Hmm. Probably because I so enjoy Cardassian world-building. I know how humans get married. I’ve done it. It was fine. The marriage is more important than the wedding, and that’s kind of the same in both cultures, I figure. But huh, you’re right - do they wear rings? Is there a big dinner and a dance? Do you say ‘til death do us part? Is there a big fight about that issue? Even what to call it - I guess it depends who you’re talking to - married to cultures that marry, enjoined to cultures that enjoin - oh, what a neat little can of worms!

/bows; tips hat

[muiromem]

Thank you! I agree that it is brilliant to see people talk about and build more with Cardassia and it’s culture, which I LOVE. I only get bothered when it seems to get very uneven. I mean isn’t that the point of marrying someone with a different heritage or culture? You like their culture but who says you want to abandon your own? You might want to mix your ideas and values and cultures together into something unique and beautiful.

Of course, there are DEFINITELY people who might want to go all-out and become the other culture, which is great too! Lots of humans do that when they change religions because of their spouse, or they move to a new country and basically become as immersed as possible. The thing is it just seemed like that was the ONLY avenue that authors have been exploring with these two. 

I am personally really enjoying all this discussion!

[tinsnip]

Me too, although tumblr is really not a good place for this, endless chain of reblogs, yaargh.

It’s interesting. I find myself hesitant to get into the whole human marriage thing because I fear it could become dreadfully twee. I mean, let’s pick colours, and let’s fight over the cake, and let’s sing crappy songs (this is kind of Canada-centric re: wedding customs, forgive me, it’s what I know), and let’s fight over who we invite, and let’s let’s let’s… and it gets worryingly cutesy-wutesy. It would take a good writer to handle that without inducing hyperglycemia.

I’ve read some colossally bad wedding-fic (lots of O/K stuff, including one where they start singing? “I Swear”? at the altar? aargh), and I almost fear it.

More fun to think about the marriage afterwards.

But they say you should do one thing every day that scares you. Maybe today I’ll sit down and think about G/B getting hitched Human-style.

A Garak/Bashir trope that gives me squick

[tinsnip]

Okay. It’s incredibly common in the fanfic. And every single time it gives me the yigg.

Garak tells Bashir about a Cardassian tradition, OR gives him this piece of jewelry, OR fakes this illness, and Bashir respects the tradition/wears the jewelry/tries to treat the illness, and it leads to sexy times, and yee hah, and Bashir asks about the tradition/jewelry/illness, and Garak is all I MADE IT UP TO GET IN YOUR PANTS/IT’S A BETROTHAL RING HA HA WE’RE ENGAGED NOW/THAT ILLNESS ISN’T REAL I JUST WANTED TO SEX YOU.

And Bashir’s always all, oh, you rascal, let’s sexy times again.

And I just can’t help thinking that lying to get into someone’s pants is very different from lying to entertain, or to protect oneself. If I were Bashir, I’d be horribly embarrassed and very turned off. Especially with that betrothal jewelry bullshit. Seriously, don’t lie about that.

I’m thinking too much. But it’s a weird trope and I don’t like it.

[ladyyatexel]

No, this is totally a legit thing.  I started writing a giant spiel in a draft post about the things that Garak gets away with as a Cardassian versus what he can get with as a human (because pizza), and then there were definitely things that he should not get away with in either circumstance and “oh, lol, now we’re engaged/sleeping together because I am mocking/exploiting your lack of knowledge about my culture~” is not one of them. 

Garak’s lying is fun because most of it is an invitation to figure him out (the rest is, like you said, self-preservation).  Lying to sleep with someone is ridiculously skeevy and I think can be classified as rape under some places’ laws.  And I’m pretty sure Garak is not this despicable. 

WHILE WE’RE ON THE SUBJECT OF ‘NO’, I get really frowny when Bashir is referred to as a ‘boy’ because  A) fuck epithets, and, more importantly, B) Bashir is a fucking adult.  He might be a young one, he might be totally doofy and kind of naive when this shit starts.  He might have eyes fit for a Disney movie and possibly the hair and smile as well, but he’s a MAN.  He has a fucking medical degree, can we stop it with boy?   I understand there is an age difference.  I rather like it, even!  But let’s stop with trying to ratchet it up to creepy levels AND infantilzing Bashir. 

[muiromem]

I have come across these sort of things so many times while reading fic and THANK YOU GUYS YOU ACTUALLY GET IT. I hate it when they have Garak call him “boy”. This stuff just bugs the crap out of me.

Not to mention one of my own more minor pet peeves is how often I see things going completely one-sided with their relationship. I understand that Julian always showed an interest in Garak and his culture, but relationships are supposed to be a compromise between both people involved. It bothers me when I read a fic and Julian is is the who tries to learn to the language, customs, rules, and such about Cardassians (which is great) but then Garak just stays exactly how he is and people kind of ignore human customs, ideals, and such.

Don’t get me wrong tough, I mean I’m one of a bunch of us who hold on to our personal headcanon that he and Garak go live on Cardassia and adopt a bunch of war orphans and of course Julian would need to learn about Cardassian culture if he’s going to live there. But like, for a very quickly grabbed (and probably crappy) example, nearly every fic I have read has the two of them being “bonded” or whatnot the Cardassian way, but never do I hear mention of them getting married like humans do. This is in no way a bad thing, but I sometimes feel like the authors just dismiss any notion that Julian might want to hold on to his own culture. It’s just little things like that I guess.

and this has been a longer jumble of half-thought out opinions than I expected woops don’t bite my head off anyone please

[tinsnip]

/gaping

I am boggled. I have not seen the forest for the trees. Muiromem, you beautiful human, you.

God, I’ve never once thought of that. Hmm. Probably because I so enjoy Cardassian world-building. I know how humans get married. I’ve done it. It was fine. The marriage is more important than the wedding, and that’s kind of the same in both cultures, I figure. But huh, you’re right - do they wear rings? Is there a big dinner and a dance? Do you say ‘til death do us part? Is there a big fight about that issue? Even what to call it - I guess it depends who you’re talking to - married to cultures that marry, enjoined to cultures that enjoin - oh, what a neat little can of worms!

/bows; tips hat

[ladyyatexel]

They all look like pizza delivery people.

And I love them so much.

[sokorra]

AU Plot Bunny, where Sisko is the owner of a Pizza shop. His employees include a medical student, a guy who can fix about anything mechanical, the Dax sisters, a red head with a temper and her boyfriend who is better then a security camera, his son and a grumpy guy who listens to opera.  Next door is a bar owned by Quark, a man obsessed with money and his brother who is really only an owner because Quark’s mom made Quark add him to the lease.  Rom’s girlfriend works at the bar, but occasionally takes a shift at the pizzeria when someone is sick.

They have a few regulars, including a man who Julian, the medical student, swears works for the CIA and a creepy guy who likes to see how long it takes to get Kira to hit him over the head with a Pizza pan.

[ladyyatexel]

i just wanted to share with you all what came of posting this

[teroknortailor]

YES OMG PLEASE

Also, that one cop who is always on Quark’s back who gets a free pizza every so often.

[soulless-minions-of-orthodoxy]

The door opened and Julian zipped over to the waiting patron.

‘Hello, welcome to Sisko’s.’ He grinned. ‘What kind of table can I get you?’

The patron’s party was of one and he asked for a seat in a quiet corner, so Julian led him across the floor to his table and handed him a menu.

‘I recommend whatever the special is. The man in the white hat is a magician.’

‘Thank you. And your bedside manner is lovely, the practice shows.’

For once Julian didn’t have an immediate response, so there was a pause before he came out with ‘How did you know I was studying medicine?’

‘Attention to detail is a vital part of my work.’

‘Not you too. There’s another fellow who said the same thing to me the first time he came in here, but I don’t think he figured out I came second in my exam with tailoring skills.’

‘There are some people who have a natural eye for such things. And those who were taught it.’

‘It could be put to very good use.’ Julian was having fun now, the menu lying forgotten on the table.

‘Many very important uses. And also dangerous ones. I think it wise that such a person needs an eye kept on them. One can never tell on which side of any conflict their loyalties may lie.’

‘Any such person?’ Julian raised an eyebrow.

‘Absolutely. Now, a glass of something please.’

Julian nodded and went to get the drinks menu, leaving the man at table 31.